By the end of this session it really felt like things were gearing up. Don’t worry I am going to cover all of the details in this recap. But before we get to that, make sure you have caught up with the first two sessions, and if you missed it, last week I made a personal vlog whilst I was busy working on my Session #2 homework: view here!
In this weeks session it was time for me to recap my advanced product research where I revealed my top two product ideas. This was narrowed down from 43, to 5 and then the final 2 product ideas. We also announced which product that I am going to launch so if you do nothing else, make sure you check out the rest of this post to find out!
From there, and with Greg’s expert guidance, we covered a lot of insightful stuff in this session, including:
- An introduction to sourcing in China and working with Chinese manufacturers
- How to use Alibaba
- Sending your initial supplier outreach to get more accurate cost estimations for your top products
- Carrying out deeper profitability calculations for your top ideas (including factoring in VAT)
- Utilizing all of this, and all of your research thus far, to decide which product idea to invest in!
Let’s get started shall we?
Watch the replay here:
Here’s the slides:
Advanced Research Findings: Overview
First up, Greg handed over to me to share some more of my Advanced Product Research findings for my top 5 products. In case you forgot, those were: cardboard boxes, full face snorkel, sleeping bag, baby sling & travel pillows.
I shared my top findings for each of these products and whether I felt they were in my top two as follows:
On further inspection, this product idea looked like it might be more difficult to pursue than I first thought. All of the sellers are FBM which indicated to me that this may actually be a large and heavy item to ship and incur larger FBA fees. I also noticed from searching on Alibaba that there weren’t that many suppliers in China. I did find a few UK based suppliers though!
For these reasons, I decided not to shortlist this product idea for this product launch. However, the demand is still very high for UK marketplace standards, and I think it could definitely be a profitable idea with the right investigation and strategy.
As stated in my vlog, I found that many competitor listings were quite poor for sleeping bags. This filled me with hope as I know we are going to create a really strong listing for which ever product we launch. Whereas some of the existing sleeping bag listings have short titles with no keywords, barely any descriptions or features and poor photography.
Another great thing about this product was that it had very low seasonality. I was worried it would be a summer item but it’s definitely not. Not only that, there were lots of suppliers showing on Alibaba and the initial cost of manufacturing looked very promising too.
This one made it to my top two product ideas!
Full Face Snorkels
There were actually a lot of suppliers on Alibaba when searching for “full face snorkel” which I wasn’t expecting. The initial cost guide looked promising too. However I am really not sure about the legal aspects of this product. As Greg mentioned back in Session 2, there probably are no existing patents as there are plenty of FBA sellers already selling these snorkels. But this is just a hunch and there could be a patent pending.
I still think this is a great product idea but it would require further legal investigations to be on the safe and sure side. For that reason I decided not to shortlist it right now.
Again I covered this in my vlog update but I spotted that no PPC ad spots were being used by FBA sellers of travel pillows when I looked whilst researching. There was just a big banner ad for the brand Silentnight selling pillows. I assume that these sellers aren’t bidding, or have poor PPC campaigns in place and struggling to compete.
Again this is positive as I know we’re going to go in strong with a great PPC strategy. This opens up an opportunity.
This item also has plenty of suppliers listed on Alibaba, the rough cost guide looks good, and it’s super easy to bundle with things like ear plugs and eye masks.
Guess what – travel pillows made it to the top two!
I loved this product idea but the main reason why it didn’t make it to my top two was that the demand was lower than the sleeping bags and travel pillows. Considering we have a huge target to hit $1 Million in revenue for charity, I had to put my feelings about the product aside.
Other than that it’s vital stats looked good. Easy and cheap to manufacture with a good amount of existing suppliers on Alibaba, low seasonality. At an initial profitability glance it would be a strong product.
Introduction To Sourcing From China
With all of that researched, it was time to start contacting suppliers for my top product ideas to get a better idea of the cost of manufacturing. This would ultimately help me to do some early profit calculations (which are explained further along in this post), and decide which product to launch.
First up, Greg gave some great over-arching insights into sourcing from China in general. Make sure you catch this in the replay if you are new to this. To give an overview, you do not need to speak Chinese as most factories will have English speaking sales reps. Although Chinese business culture can sometimes get a bad rep, it’s actually very viable to develop long term business relationships, and you don’t necessarily have to visit trade shows in China to do this.
When it comes to payments, most sellers will be using T/T wire transfers to pay. Following that there is also Alibaba’s secure Escrow service, and less popular is PayPal, which is the more popular option for smaller payments (like for samples). We will cover all of this in more detail at a later date, as well as contracts and agreement templates. So if you are following along with us, make sure you stay up to date to cover these things in more detail when they become more relevant to the stage at which we are in our launch progress.
Top Tips For Using Alibaba
So now that we have alleviated some of the common questions before diving right into searching for suppliers to contact, here’s a few tips and guidelines:
- Try using a few different keywords to search Alibaba – For example, if you search for “travel pillow”, “u-shaped pillow” and “inflatable pillow” you may find different suppliers to contact
- Look for more established factories that have trade assurance or the gold supplier badge
- Use your favorites to keep a list suppliers – I show you how yo do this over my shoulder but it really is very simple to add suppliers to your favorites to contact later
- Create an email template – this is useful so you can just copy and paste your message to all of your fave’d suppliers, I have shared the template with you that I used below
- Use the Alibaba messaging function – This really is very easy to use and again I gave an over the shoulder demo in the live stream video, it’s the only way to effectively carry out supplier outreach with Alibaba.
Initial Supplier Outreach Email Template
When sending out your email you want to make sure that it’s not too long but includes all of the most pertinent information. Greg also advises to ask any questions in a numbered list, which increases the chances that each and every question will be responded to. If you hide questions in big blocks of text, they are easily missed.
Here’s an example of one of the email templates I created:
As you can see, I introduce myself and the company and give some rough estimates of how many units I would be ordering. Remember that you want to look like a substantially large ecommerce seller, even if you are just starting out launching your first product. Don’t worry if you don’t get the estimates quite right.
From here I listed out the specifications for the product I am looking to manufacture, and then asked a numbered list of questions about things like adding logos, sample times and costs and if they are a manufacturer or a trading company.
Manufacturer or Trading Company
Greg mentioned this useful piece of information which is that you want to ensure suppliers are manufacturers, and not a trading company.
What’s the difference? A manufacturer actually products the product in their factory. Whereas a trading company buys it from another factory and sells it.
The reason for this is that you don’t want to add another level of complexity, time and communication to your supply chain. It’s always best to purchase directly from the manufacturer.
An easy way to find out whether a supplier is a trading company is to ask – usually you will get an honest response. Other routes include inspecting their Alibaba listing which will sometimes state it.
Or you can use the “common thread” test and take a look at what other products the supplier sells. If we are asking about travel pillows and a supplier sells lots of other products that are made with fabrics, other types of pillow etc. then it’s more likely they are the manufacturer. Whereas if a supplier sells a wide range of products that require different machinery or processes to make, then it’s likely they are buying in from manufacturers and selling as a trading company.
As you can see in my example email template, I created some specifications for my sleeping bag product idea. I just wanted to share a few insights of how I did this, and hopefully you can repeat the same processes to spec out your own product ideas.
- Look at competitor listings and read their product information to get an idea of the common materials, sizes, colors and styles
- Scour all of your competitor reviews, the good the bad and the ugly – this gives you an idea of what customers really like, and what they really don’t like!
- Search on some other ecommerce websites and repeat the above two steps – for this example I looked at camping retailers and their sleeping bag ranges
You Don’t Need To Be A Product Expert
I’m definitely not a sleeping bag expert, despite working in camping store as a student for a time, I never really got into any depth on what makes a good sleeping bag 😉
I was using all of the information from those three tips above to come up with my ideas. I may still tweak the specifications yet as this was just my initial outreach to get an idea of cost.
Overall, reading reviews really helped me make a lot of decisions. For example, for sleeping bags a lot the negatives were about them being too cold, damp, or the wrong size. An easy win for that is to do a couple of sizes for different sized humans, and make sure the sleeping bag material is warm, suitable for more than one season, and has water resistant properties.
I also saw a few neat ideas like having double anti-snag zippers, an internal pocket for valuables and drawstrings on the hood for a mummy sleeping bag to keep the warmth in.
This was the most time consuming part of my supplier outreach at this stage. Finding and sending out the emails once I’d got my template nailed down was actually really simple.
How Many Suppliers Should I Contact?
Greg gave some extra advice on actually carrying out the outreach as follows:
- Aim to contact 25 suppliers or more – many won’t reply and many won’t be suitable so you need to aim for high numbers
- Attach images of a similar product to give a visual – this can make a huge difference in the responses you get
- Sort responses into folders – just because I am a little bit of an organization freak like that, but it really does help when you are sending 25+ emails out for several product ideas
- Be ruthless! – more on this in next week’s session
He also advised using a dedicated email address for sourcing. Greg still uses Gmail for his own Amazon business and has never had a problem so don’t worry about getting a business email. Once you start outreach you will be contacted by Alibaba and suppliers alike for eternity about all manner of things. It’s really not ideal to have all of this coming into your primary email – trust us!
Calculate Your Profits
So now we’ve got this far we are at the stage where we can calculate profits for our top product ideas and make that exciting final decision.
We *are* still going to make some assumptions at this stage. For example, we will get a much better idea of the true cost of shipping and customs later down the line when negotiating with suppliers and other third parties. But these guidelines that Greg shared gave some good rough indications that we can use to help us decide which product is going to be most profitable.
Get your calculators ready!
What You Need To Account For
We want to figure out how much profit we will make per unit that we sell, and to do that we need to take into account our FBA fees, the landed cost of the product, VAT as we are selling in Europe, and ongoing marketing costs with Amazon PPC. Here’s what Greg worked out:
If you are struggling to figure out your FBA fees you can use Amazon’s FBA calculator – check out this useful page which explains how to use to tool, with links to FBA calculators across marketplaces.
Greg also got an idea of the cost of duties using the UK government website. The shipping estimates are rough, but this gives us some numbers to work with at this earlier stage of selecting a product.
VAT in the UK is 20% and we have accounted for 5% for PPC and marketing costs, which is playing it safe and allowing for extra spend.
Profit Calculation: Working Example
Using the above guidelines and calculations, we can start to figure out how profitable our top product ideas will be. Here’s a working example using the sleeping bags:
As you can see, this results in a healthy profit margin of £8.35 and a ROI on Landed Cost of 125%. Greg shared in the webinar that he always aims for 100% ROI on landed cost, so this is a good start.
A Note on VAT
I have updated these figures slightly from those shown in the webinar, as the VAT calculation was slightly off.
VAT is 20% in the UK, and this is of the subtotal of the product, not the full RRP. So if we wanted to sell this product for £26.99, then the subtotal would be £22.49, and the customer would also pay £4.50 VAT. Here’s a useful calculator tool to calculate your VAT ‘backwards’ – handy for when you have a final retail price to aim for, and need to know how much VAT is.
We will definitely go through the relevant steps to set up your business to sell in Europe and VAT requirements at a later date. At the moment we are still in the product research and sourcing phase. Once we select a supplier, there will be a ~2 month buffer period for us to get all of this stuff sorted out before any inventory lands in the UK.
Which Product Am I Going To Launch?
This decision was made based on a balanced view of all of the product research criteria we have been investigating these past three weeks, including demand, competition, how easy it should be to source and most importantly, how profitable the product will be.
I mentioned this in this weeks session but it really is a case of balancing all of these criteria and more out against your other product ideas and deciding which works best for you. Everything single product idea will come with it’s own benefits and challenges and you also need to weigh this in when making your decision. For example, some first time sellers go for less risky products, or cheaper items that require a smaller initial investment.
Greg seemed happy with my decision and I am excited to see this through. We will be launching with a sleeping bag product – that is unless we run into any issues that I haven’t already spotted.
Session #3 Homework
As I mentioned above, you can access the email outreach template in this week’s homework file. There is also a tab for you to log all of your supplier responses so that you can easily assess which ones to communicate with further, and another tab to log your profit calculations for your top ideas.
So your homework for this week is, you guessed it, to start your supplier outreach, do your product profit calculations and come back for Session #4 next week having selected which product you would like to launch.
From here, we’re going to dig a little deeper into how to assess your Alibaba responses, how to find the right supplier and what common mistakes to look out for. By the end of next week I want to be ready to order some samples!
If you are following along, make sure you check out Session #4 with importing guru Manuel Becvar who has some top advice on working with suppliers in China.
To get a full list of each session’s recap, head to the MDCS: Europe overview page here.
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